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		<title>Comment on But I Like the Shadows!: Plato&#8217;s Allegory of the Cave, Appearance, and Spectacle by vinatabapeche</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: I don&#039;t think I blew any minds...ah, well</description>
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		<title>Comment on Grilled Cheeses: Blatant Propaganda&#8230;or maybe I mean Procrastination by The Grumpy Academic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Grumpy Academic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to make them with an iron, red hot. Wrap your pre-grilled sandwich in tin foil, stick a hot iron on top, flip and do the same to the other side, for we desire balance. Maybe a minute for each? Can&#039;t remember. Can&#039;t even remember why I used an iron, either. But it worked very nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to make them with an iron, red hot. Wrap your pre-grilled sandwich in tin foil, stick a hot iron on top, flip and do the same to the other side, for we desire balance. Maybe a minute for each? Can&#8217;t remember. Can&#8217;t even remember why I used an iron, either. But it worked very nicely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Borders Camp/Campemento Contra Las Fronteras by vinatabapeche</title>
		<link>http://vinatabapeche.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/no-borders-campcampemento-contra-las-fronteras/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>vinatabapeche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I respect the symbolism of protest, but I guess what bugs me so much is that it solely acts as symbolic. But, is this not what late capitalism does? I mean, doesn&#039;t late capitalism turn everything into solely a part of the symbolic order?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I respect the symbolism of protest, but I guess what bugs me so much is that it solely acts as symbolic. But, is this not what late capitalism does? I mean, doesn&#8217;t late capitalism turn everything into solely a part of the symbolic order?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by vinatabapeche</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinatabapeche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey cj, sorry it&#039;s taken me so long to reply. I guess I am wary of the distinction between contradiction and antinomy, simply becuase I think it covers up lines of philosophical thought. And I so love to map out these lines.

As for your question about why I fight against the &quot;political economy&quot;: well, I do not think of the &quot;political economy&quot; as a solely a radical epistemology bringing politics and economics together. I think of politics and economics already materially being a part of the social landscape as one thing (i.e. neoliberalism and libertarianism), regardless of how many politicians deny this fact. But this makes me simply a Foucauldian I guess, more than a Marxist (at least as I far as I understand these fields of thought).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey cj, sorry it&#8217;s taken me so long to reply. I guess I am wary of the distinction between contradiction and antinomy, simply becuase I think it covers up lines of philosophical thought. And I so love to map out these lines.</p>
<p>As for your question about why I fight against the &#8220;political economy&#8221;: well, I do not think of the &#8220;political economy&#8221; as a solely a radical epistemology bringing politics and economics together. I think of politics and economics already materially being a part of the social landscape as one thing (i.e. neoliberalism and libertarianism), regardless of how many politicians deny this fact. But this makes me simply a Foucauldian I guess, more than a Marxist (at least as I far as I understand these fields of thought).</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Borders Camp/Campemento Contra Las Fronteras by snezana</title>
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		<dc:creator>snezana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed the subtitle &quot;Fighting the Political Economy Since 1981&quot; and imagined little Vinataba marching down her kindergarten hallway with a &quot;down with capitalism&quot; sign. Now some thoughts on the above. On the one hand, my instinct tells me that the Ghandi style non-violent protests would work even today IF there were an older sage-like figure involved, PLUS a critical mass of plain mainstream ladies and gentlemen camping and marching and refusing shit. Before Rosa Parks, there were plenty of young women (probably often hip young women like the No Border Camp kids) refusing to get up for some whitey on the bus, but they&#039;d get arrested, sometimes win a case, and still there&#039;d be no protests boycotting mass transit etc. I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is unfortunately young leftists are not real common denominators. On the other hand, the precise fact that there are no rosaparkses and no awe-inspiring-yet-lovable sage-like figures makes me think that your last sentence is dead on. I’ll elaborate a bit.

I have no doubt that the protesters know that the wall is just a symptom, not the disease. In other words, I&#039;m sure they&#039;re aware that they&#039;re fighting a symbol of pan-american and global economic injustice and that even if the powers that be say “okay, you&#039;re right, down with the wall!” the poverty and slums and ghettos will go on, etc. 

Which brings me to another thought. Isn&#039;t it that the Black Panthers--here I go again!--were so threatening to the status quo not because they wore berets, leather jackets, naturals, and guns, but because for a while they were a smoothly running machine giving away free breakfast and free education to the people in the ghettos? And they mainly came from the ghettos. Are the No Borders Camp activists—at least on the Mexican side—directly affected by the poverty that makes people risk their lives to cross the border? And for the American side, how else do they express their solidarity with the poor? If chanting “tear down the wall” and getting beat up is all that they’re doing, I respect that, it’s still much more than what I’m doing, but I don’t see any power in that to change anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed the subtitle &#8220;Fighting the Political Economy Since 1981&#8243; and imagined little Vinataba marching down her kindergarten hallway with a &#8220;down with capitalism&#8221; sign. Now some thoughts on the above. On the one hand, my instinct tells me that the Ghandi style non-violent protests would work even today IF there were an older sage-like figure involved, PLUS a critical mass of plain mainstream ladies and gentlemen camping and marching and refusing shit. Before Rosa Parks, there were plenty of young women (probably often hip young women like the No Border Camp kids) refusing to get up for some whitey on the bus, but they&#8217;d get arrested, sometimes win a case, and still there&#8217;d be no protests boycotting mass transit etc. I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is unfortunately young leftists are not real common denominators. On the other hand, the precise fact that there are no rosaparkses and no awe-inspiring-yet-lovable sage-like figures makes me think that your last sentence is dead on. I’ll elaborate a bit.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the protesters know that the wall is just a symptom, not the disease. In other words, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re aware that they&#8217;re fighting a symbol of pan-american and global economic injustice and that even if the powers that be say “okay, you&#8217;re right, down with the wall!” the poverty and slums and ghettos will go on, etc. </p>
<p>Which brings me to another thought. Isn&#8217;t it that the Black Panthers&#8211;here I go again!&#8211;were so threatening to the status quo not because they wore berets, leather jackets, naturals, and guns, but because for a while they were a smoothly running machine giving away free breakfast and free education to the people in the ghettos? And they mainly came from the ghettos. Are the No Borders Camp activists—at least on the Mexican side—directly affected by the poverty that makes people risk their lives to cross the border? And for the American side, how else do they express their solidarity with the poor? If chanting “tear down the wall” and getting beat up is all that they’re doing, I respect that, it’s still much more than what I’m doing, but I don’t see any power in that to change anything.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by cerebraljetsam</title>
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		<dc:creator>cerebraljetsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, you&#039;re right. Utopia does indeed fall short of a moment of synthesis--that is its Hegelian core. Final synthesis is the end of the dialectic (&quot;Spirit&quot; in Hegel) and the end of history (not in the way Fukuyama means it, though--his argument is easily out-Hegeled).
Regarding the dialectic and contradiction: well, contradiction is not quite Derridean (nor post-structuralist). Marxists would distinguish (as Jameson does elsewhere) between &quot;contradiction&quot; and &quot;antinomy.&quot; A contradiction is dialectical, productive and ultimately political. An antinomy is an irreconcilable, non-dialectical opposition whose horizon can be likened to Derridean inevitability of play or the Lyotardian &quot;incommensurability of local language games.&quot; In short, Marxists do contradictions--post-structuralists do antinomies.
Btw: you appear to have lefty (if not Marxist) sentiments yourself. Why do you fight political economy? Just curious. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, you&#8217;re right. Utopia does indeed fall short of a moment of synthesis&#8211;that is its Hegelian core. Final synthesis is the end of the dialectic (&#8220;Spirit&#8221; in Hegel) and the end of history (not in the way Fukuyama means it, though&#8211;his argument is easily out-Hegeled).<br />
Regarding the dialectic and contradiction: well, contradiction is not quite Derridean (nor post-structuralist). Marxists would distinguish (as Jameson does elsewhere) between &#8220;contradiction&#8221; and &#8220;antinomy.&#8221; A contradiction is dialectical, productive and ultimately political. An antinomy is an irreconcilable, non-dialectical opposition whose horizon can be likened to Derridean inevitability of play or the Lyotardian &#8220;incommensurability of local language games.&#8221; In short, Marxists do contradictions&#8211;post-structuralists do antinomies.<br />
Btw: you appear to have lefty (if not Marxist) sentiments yourself. Why do you fight political economy? Just curious. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by vinatabapeche</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinatabapeche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks cj for your very thoughtful and helpful comment. And although I am still reading the Jameson (it looks like this sucker is going to take me a year at this rate!), I must disagree a bit with your ending statement. &quot;A job intersted in and consisting of contradictions&quot; might be simply any &quot;poststructuralist&quot; analysis, since it is the base of Derridean, race, and most post/anti-colonial (hybridity) frameworks, as well as left heglian dialectics to an extent. What seems to make the dialectic useful is the moment of synthesis. For instance, during Jameson&#039;s foray into genre and form (chpt 6), he argues that Utopia perhaps &quot;does constitute a working synthesis of these two incompensurables [SciFi and Fantasy]&quot; (74). And, I guess that is what I am most interested in within this book: how utopia (as solely a concept/ideology of possibility, however false that may be) might be productive. Literarily, utopia seems to &quot;do&quot; something. But, Jameson does, pretty consistently, point out that, materially, utopia fails at any moment of synthesis. So, yes, I agree that Jameson&#039;s point is the &quot;perfect&quot; future will remain unthinkable, but I think his agrument comes from the failure of material synthesis not from a want of simply perpetuating processual contradiction. I may be wrong here...I will read on.
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks cj for your very thoughtful and helpful comment. And although I am still reading the Jameson (it looks like this sucker is going to take me a year at this rate!), I must disagree a bit with your ending statement. &#8220;A job intersted in and consisting of contradictions&#8221; might be simply any &#8220;poststructuralist&#8221; analysis, since it is the base of Derridean, race, and most post/anti-colonial (hybridity) frameworks, as well as left heglian dialectics to an extent. What seems to make the dialectic useful is the moment of synthesis. For instance, during Jameson&#8217;s foray into genre and form (chpt 6), he argues that Utopia perhaps &#8220;does constitute a working synthesis of these two incompensurables [SciFi and Fantasy]&#8221; (74). And, I guess that is what I am most interested in within this book: how utopia (as solely a concept/ideology of possibility, however false that may be) might be productive. Literarily, utopia seems to &#8220;do&#8221; something. But, Jameson does, pretty consistently, point out that, materially, utopia fails at any moment of synthesis. So, yes, I agree that Jameson&#8217;s point is the &#8220;perfect&#8221; future will remain unthinkable, but I think his agrument comes from the failure of material synthesis not from a want of simply perpetuating processual contradiction. I may be wrong here&#8230;I will read on.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by cerebraljetsam</title>
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		<dc:creator>cerebraljetsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to this blog (I have been enjoying reading it this past hour), so forgive me, if I simply intrude on this conversation.
I would like to suggest the following, which may clear up some confusion regarding Jameson&#039;s _Archaeologies_:

when we talk about Marxist conceptions of Utopia the category of change becomes a tricky one. The dialectic is fundamental to conceiving of a true notion of utopia, namely not as perfection but as process. It is precisely this form of change Jameson stresses: change is not envisioning an alternative as much as it consists in a perpetual dialectical process that pinpoints the contradictions of the present. Jameson is very Blochian here, defining utopia rigorously as the &quot;not yet,&quot; in other words as that, which can not be thought in the present, since a teleology of perfection would neither be a dialectical hypothesis nor a true move beyond the limiting logic of the present (and would thus contain neither true futurity nor progressive or even utopian thought/politics). As uncomfortable as this may makes us, utopia and a truly different future per se must remain unthinkable. Ergo, we as critics should spend less time envisioning a perfect society (which in Marxist terms would not just be illogically anti-dialectical but also not progressive, since it would just be an extension of our present logic) and instead create the future in the dialectical examination of the present and past contradictions that need to be worked through--our job is analysis and through this analysis create true futurity--we should be the archaeologists of the future (a job which, as the title suggests, should be thought of as rewarding precisely because it is a job primarily interested in and consisting of contradictions--and that, after all, is the most important thing in Marxist analysis.)
hope this helped a bit--cheers, cj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to this blog (I have been enjoying reading it this past hour), so forgive me, if I simply intrude on this conversation.<br />
I would like to suggest the following, which may clear up some confusion regarding Jameson&#8217;s _Archaeologies_:</p>
<p>when we talk about Marxist conceptions of Utopia the category of change becomes a tricky one. The dialectic is fundamental to conceiving of a true notion of utopia, namely not as perfection but as process. It is precisely this form of change Jameson stresses: change is not envisioning an alternative as much as it consists in a perpetual dialectical process that pinpoints the contradictions of the present. Jameson is very Blochian here, defining utopia rigorously as the &#8220;not yet,&#8221; in other words as that, which can not be thought in the present, since a teleology of perfection would neither be a dialectical hypothesis nor a true move beyond the limiting logic of the present (and would thus contain neither true futurity nor progressive or even utopian thought/politics). As uncomfortable as this may makes us, utopia and a truly different future per se must remain unthinkable. Ergo, we as critics should spend less time envisioning a perfect society (which in Marxist terms would not just be illogically anti-dialectical but also not progressive, since it would just be an extension of our present logic) and instead create the future in the dialectical examination of the present and past contradictions that need to be worked through&#8211;our job is analysis and through this analysis create true futurity&#8211;we should be the archaeologists of the future (a job which, as the title suggests, should be thought of as rewarding precisely because it is a job primarily interested in and consisting of contradictions&#8211;and that, after all, is the most important thing in Marxist analysis.)<br />
hope this helped a bit&#8211;cheers, cj</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by vinatabapeche</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think you are picking up on his distinction between both impulse vs. desire and Imaginantion vs. Fancy. My main problem is he seems to believe that there is an &quot;enfeeblement&quot; of desire (for Imagination), in addition to an inability to inact that Imagination. I would actually argue, especially with the rise in sociological approaches within Literature departments, that there is a hyper-desire, but yes, still a lack in material &quot;willpower.&quot; Also, I&#039;m not sure I meant to say academics are better equipped in imagining (utopian or social) teleologies, but I do think we are better trained analytically than, say, George W. But, as I said before, that is stepping over Jameson&#039;s theoretical boundaries by quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think you are picking up on his distinction between both impulse vs. desire and Imaginantion vs. Fancy. My main problem is he seems to believe that there is an &#8220;enfeeblement&#8221; of desire (for Imagination), in addition to an inability to inact that Imagination. I would actually argue, especially with the rise in sociological approaches within Literature departments, that there is a hyper-desire, but yes, still a lack in material &#8220;willpower.&#8221; Also, I&#8217;m not sure I meant to say academics are better equipped in imagining (utopian or social) teleologies, but I do think we are better trained analytically than, say, George W. But, as I said before, that is stepping over Jameson&#8217;s theoretical boundaries by quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blanket Me in Institutionalism and then Suffocate Me with a Pillow by thegrumpyacademic</title>
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		<dc:creator>thegrumpyacademic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the Jameson, but I like the quote you ended with. If I understand him correctly, he is indicting our (academics&#039;) inability to imagine a better future, yes, but also to enact--or attempt to enact--that future. I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s a lack of utopian imagination, so much as it is a lack of willpower: we think we see things for what they are, and when we do we feel overwhelmed. But I&#039;m not so sure we are the best equipped to imagine it. If we are, Jameson is right: too much handwringing, not enough on the barricades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the Jameson, but I like the quote you ended with. If I understand him correctly, he is indicting our (academics&#8217;) inability to imagine a better future, yes, but also to enact&#8211;or attempt to enact&#8211;that future. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s a lack of utopian imagination, so much as it is a lack of willpower: we think we see things for what they are, and when we do we feel overwhelmed. But I&#8217;m not so sure we are the best equipped to imagine it. If we are, Jameson is right: too much handwringing, not enough on the barricades.</p>
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